Transcripts. Bannon’s War Room. Steve Kirsch And Dr. McCullough Discuss The Major Implications Of The 15-0 Vote To Add The COVID Vaccine To Kids' Vaccine Scheduled. October 20, 2022
Topic: CDC, COVID Vaccine for Kids. October 20, 2022.
Transcripts from Bannon’s War Room on Rumble: Steve Kirsch and Dr. McCullough Discuss the Major Implications of the 15-0 Vote to Add the COVID Vaccine to Kids' Vaccine Schedule.
Published October 20, 2022.
Steve Bannon:
Steve, walk me through what happened today and why is this so important
Steve Kirsch:
So today as we predicted would happen the ACIP Committee (Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices) which is the outside committee for the CDC recommended to the CDC that the mRNA vaccines be put on the childhood vaccination schedule. And as far as we know there are no examples where the ACIP committee has recommended this, and the CDC has then refused to add it. So, it's it is almost a done deal. And once the CDC adds these vaccines to the childhood vaccine schedule, what happens is it becomes mandated. It becomes mandatory in many states in the United States which adopt the childhood, the entire CDC childhood vaccine schedule, in order to attend public schools.
So effectively what they've done with their vote is to require kids get these vaccines in certain states in order to attend public schools. That's the net impact, but they the bigger impact is that it provides liability protection now until the end of time, for these vaccine manufacturers. So now they can ship an adult vaccine and actually have it approved and escape all liability. And so that's is the bigger that was the grand prize to go get permanent liability protection.
Steve Bannon:
I want to get to that but I want to get a couple more building blocks. I think we got Doctor McCullough up now. Doctor McCullough, here’s what I don't understand, with the research that Naomi Wolf’s pulling together of the Pfizer documents, stuff that you’re doing, Steve kirsch has been doing an analysis. We're seeing this now with many many different groups, questioning you know the whole issue of the vaccine particularly for young people.
How does it go from the count of that questioning it and I think it's England and Denmark countries in Europe just back off this thing, people that were mandatory. How do you go from there and really people starting to question it I think on the booster a very low uptake by parents unless it's forced. How do you go from there to actually put it into the program of kind of the permanent vaccines that the set of vaccines that kids have to get to get to public schools. How do you make that leap given the controversy on this vaccine server?
Peter McCullough:
The heterogeneity of various responses and opinions on pediatric and young person vaccination is really striking Steve. You know in the country of Denmark they've struck it down completely the state of Florida’s not going to go along with this. Kari Lake, gubernatorial candidate in Arizona, not going go along with that, Scott Jensen, Minnesota, not going to happen.
You saw Stephane Bancel, CEO of Moderna just came out and said you know vaccines don't make sense in young people. So, this heterogeneity should be a sign that those on this regulatory committee these people who voted unanimously, they must be part of some type of government big pharma regulatory capture
Steve Bannon:
So, let me ask you, all the other vaccines that are on here either though some are controversial they have years and years of clinical trials and testing in am I correct in that?
Peter McCullough:
They do. You know they say have years and years of experience the MMR, the polio vaccines what parents and listeners need to know is this COVID-19 vaccine is nowhere near as safe as our standard vaccines. Its still emergency use authorized. Most children have been through COVID-19. So, the vaccines are not medically necessary, they're not clinically indicated and they're not safe.
The FDA says they cause heart damage, myocarditis and cause blood clots. No parent would tolerate that in a single case. So, I think they should be off the table. Parents are going to have to do ala carte when it comes to vaccine schedule and then they're really going to have to fight in the schools if they mandate it.
Steve Bannon:
Well, I think it's going to go to a fight Steve curse at the center The thing is going to be at the state level. Let me go back to church just stay right there, Doctor McCullough. Steve so, walk people through this liability issue because it kind of doesn't make sense. You don't really see the logic of doing this given that Europe’s kind of backing off this. You've had tons of questions here. You clearly could do a lot more years you'd start really doing clinical tests and really test this. In fact, I think they went down to five-year-olds on this approval but the licenses only the 16. Tell us about the liability why would this even come up?
Steve Kirsch:
Well, the grand prize has always been the liability protection. the vaccine manufacturers have this under EUA but once the drug is approved by the FDA, the liability protection goes away unless the drug is on the childhood vaccination schedule. So, this is why they there has been such a huge push to get this approved and tested under EUA in children.
And the results are so bad Steve. You know, there was a study in Thailand which I'm sure Peter will give you all the details of but it showed that 30% of the kids that were tested then we're looked at after vaccination, 30% developed, almost 30%, It was 29.3, I think, developed cardiac issues that were measurable after they got the vaccine. 30% okay. So, almost one out of three.
Now contrast that with three out of a million kids might die if they got infected with COVID. And it's probably at least an order of magnitude less than that because you know we have very easy early treatments. Just rinsing your nose twice a day with a saline rinse we'll reduce your chance of hospitalization by a factor of eight.
So, we're looking at an at less than one in a million chance that your child would die from COVID versus a 30% chance that they are going to get some kind of cardiac issues, some sort of cardiac damage due to these vaccines. This is not even a close call here. Nobody in their right mind looking at the data…
Steve Bannon:
Hang on a second we'll go back to McCullough. Doctor McCullough with that here's what's so shocking the two days they had the vote yesterday and today unanimous votes. But did you see any real debate? I mean nobody abstained nobody voted against it was there any heated debate bringing up things like the Thailand study the Steve Kirsch or talked about Denmark or UK or other countries backing off this altogether, did you see any of that?
Peter McCullough
No there's a complete oblivion to safety and the great concern here is that Thailand’s study by Mansugian and colleagues over half the kids who develop heart damage they don't feel it initially Steve. They’re completely asymptomatic and then they actually can have the first presentation being sudden death.
I think American families are going to be horrified if this is widely used among children in the future risk of sudden death. As a cardiologist I can tell you it's unacceptable. There is no justification for using these in children. No one should sustain heart damage as part of a pediatric vaccine schedule program.
Steve Bannon:
Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break. We got Steve Kirsch. By the way who was pro-vaccine at one time before he was, he looked at the data and now he's one of the leaders of this of really get to the bottom of the truth and bottom of the truth about vaccines. Dr Peter McCullough one of the leaders of this movement of destroying the institutions of being anti-institutionalist. But isn't this how people lose faith in this that it doesn't look like?
I mean when you've had Germany and Denmark and the UK and certain elements of Austria. People that were so gung-ho on almost mandatory vax. Now you see them all kind of backing off and here you've got children right, our most precious asset and probably the one that's the math on this thing is the most questionable. And you have a panel of experts and it's 15 to nothing no abstentions no no’s and it doesn't look like there was a heated debate or even went through a ton of analysis. Isn't this how we lose faith in institutions?
Peter McCullough
It sure is. People in my circles are talking. It’s a one-way street. People are moving from being ambivalent over towards the health freedom movement, the more conservative movement that's protecting medical rights and civil rights, overall. There is no mention of a healthy debate on the risks and benefits. There's no documentation about what's going on outside of the United States.
And you're right, countries are dropping the vaccines, Israel, UK and others. They've seen enough in terms of adverse safety effects. I think what's going to happen is so many parents and even states overall are going to move away from the CDC vaccine schedule and say listen we've lost our trust.
Steve Bannon:
Let's go to that Steve Kirsch you've really become to the forefront of this cause you've crunched the numbers. I mean you're a data guy. You've seen this and you've commented before about how the other nations that were really pro are starting to back off this now until more research is done political trials. How is this going to play to the states because the states are all different about how they take these recommendations.
Doctor Ladapo, I think we're going to get him on tomorrow morning, the surgeon general of Florida said they're not going to do it in Florida. So, how is this going to play out and given the math that you've looked at, is McCullough right our parents are going to sit there and go hey we got to stop the whole thing because I I'm questioning all of it now?
Steve Kirsch:
Well, you know they should. In Israel the percentage of people who are now fully vaccinated is only 2.4%. They used to be one of the most vaccinated places on earth and now only 2.4% of the people in Israel are considered to be fully vaccinated. So, the Israeli people who normally just do what the government says without question are in fact rebelling and they're voting with their arms.
They're not having themselves jabbed and they're not following the government recommendations anymore. They are not fooled. And so that creates an interesting data point, because I'm sure the same thing is going to happen in America. And it depends on how long they can keep up this this propaganda and avoid any kind of public debates.
There has never been any debate ever that I have ever heard of between people on both sides of the issue and talking about this in a public forum where you have experts on both sides. It has never happened. It has never happened on a college campus. It has never happened in any other forum. In fact, Steve I don't think you're even able to get anyone from the pro vaccine side on your program, at all, to ask question.
Steve Bannon:
No, it’s impossible.
Steve Kirsch:
So that that tells you something you see what they're trying to do is they need to convince those people who are vaccine hesitant to take the jab. Now the people who are vaccine hesitant, you know those people are listened to Steve Bannon. And they listen to other sources like Fox News and so they're inability and unwillingness to appear on those shows, shows that they're not serious about going after…
Steve Bannon:
Steve, you bring up a great point. As a kid I took every vaccine you know to get in the school back in those days you just did it. As a naval officer I had a particularly as in the Pacific fleet we had a whole schedule vaccines, bang. I've never been anti vax I've taken every vax. I've been ordered to take I'm not vaccinated here, and I won't be. And the reason I won't be is people's whose opinion I trust like you and Doctor McCullough and Doctor Malone, and I can go through a whole list from the beginning have really showed me the evidence to say whoa this is still a clinical trial. I don't want to participate in the clinical trial. When you have when you have more data come back to me.
I'm always open minded right, but I haven't seen it because people I respect, you guys actually went through the data. And what I heard from you guys is totally different than the safe and effective over the other side. And I know many people personally that have gotten these blood clots and have come to me, have gotten blood clots. And some people have had relatives die from the blood clots and they've gone to the hospital people. And they’ve said oh is that the Pfizer is that the Pfizer clot and so I'm not vaccinated.
I'm not going to get vaccinated. I'm the guy that's not anti vax. I've taken every vax I've been ordered to take either in the military or as a kid. And I think that's a lot of people out there. It's like the Israel you know because you need like 5 boosters now whatever I know silly people that took it originally not in a million years they get another one, not going to happen until they see more evidence.
And I think Israel is a perfect example. They had the highest fully compliant rate at the beginning and now it's, your numbers say the 2.4%. I think it tells you where it is and you see there's very little uptake on the booster and yet they're pumping out those same ads with the same you know MSNBC, CNN you can see the ads on all night. They just pump it out non-stop. Steve, we got to bounce, how do people get to you and learn more about you and your research and all your writing?
Steve Kirsch:
It's so Steve Kirsch.substack.com. STEVEKIRSCH.substack.com and it's got over 700 articles. I don't expect everyone to read them all, but just go through it and just look at the headlines and read the ones that you're interested in. And you know the data is out and it shows that these vaccines make no sense for anyone.
Steve Bannon:
And Steve came at this from a guy he didn't not come from this from the anti, he was not part of the Children's Health defense he came at this counter from the opposite side. It was the math that did it. Steve Kirsch amazing job you're doing for the American people, thank you for being on here.
Steve Kirsch:
Thank you, Steve
Steve Bannon:
Doctor McCullough free let you go this is what I think it's kind of a day lives in infamy. I just think this is another marker that now all of this has come up and to have this and they really have no debate. And here's the tell. I know something's up unlike when this thing first came out and they were just banging the drum on, there’s been crickets. We tried to pull a clip to introduce you guys that's virtually nothing, total crickets.
They're not out there pushing this right now so there’s definitely something up because in the old days they'd have Fauci out, they'd have the head of CDC out, they'd do a thing at the White House, none of that. They know this is controversial quite frankly I'm hearing from places like in Connecticut and other places that are blue states, the reason we're winning these house seats and at the state level is the parents and it's the parents about the mask and the vaccine, the other stuff too, but those vaccines really driven some parents to say no, I want to take a different route. Give us your closing thoughts about this, about how this could happen at a 15 to 0 vote which I think is what sticks in my crawl.
Peter McCullough:
I think this is the issue for voters out there. They want to know where candidates stand on the vaccines and you know many Americans, in fact a majority Americans took the vaccines. They took them early; they were patriotic they were told to do this, but everyone now has developed I think a severe a sense of hesitancy and pause.
The safety data are overwhelmingly bad, and it keeps coming in bad. The new bivariant boosters weren’t even tested in humans. The vaccines are not getting safer and they're not stopping COVID. We need a deep sense of humility here and need to be able to shut down the program just like Gerald Ford shut down the program for swine flu in 1976. It's got to happen. And I think the leaders who are honest to come forward and say shut it down let's move on and let's pick up the pieces, help America recover, those will be our leaders of the future.
Steve Bannon:
Doctor McCullough your book, the courage to take this on, how do people get to the book and how do they get to you, your writings your podcast all of it?
Peter McCullough:
You can go to my website petermcculloughmd.com. That'll take you everywhere. Our book is ‘Courage to Face COVID-19’. Cougar to Face Covid.com online. I’m on America Out Loud podcast, McCullough Report and recently started a Substack which is very popular focusing on the medical and civil liberty issues.
Steve Bannon:
Well that that's going to come up to the forefront because that's a whole, the parents are going to have to get engaged here it's on the schedule. And people in a state-by-state basis, particularly those states would just take what the CDC says and implements. Other states use it as a as a recommendation and parents are going to want to get engaged. It’s going to be huge fight. It's going to be a huge fight, and this is the reason people don't trust institutions anymore. Doctor McCullough, thank you
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