Transcripts. Bannon’s War Room. Russ Vought: McCarthy’s Choices Behind Close Doors Will Prevent The United Status From Flourishing. November 15, 2022.

Topic: House leadership vote against Kevin McCarthy. Russ Vought November 15, 2022.

Transcripts from Bannon’s War Room on Rumble: Russ Vought: McCarthy’s Choices Behind Close Doors Will Prevent The United Status From Flourishing

Published November 15, 2022.

Steve Bannon:

I want to bring in Russ Vought who's President Trump's director of management and budget.  Russ you've been in the middle of this of all the orgeous spending in the lame duck we to get into and stop in this appropriations bill and all this madness is about to try to overwhelm us, but right now about the direction with the called races last night, I think we're down to Brandon Williams in New York 22, to get to the 218.  They're saying one more.  And I believe all the Californians have been called, of course Arizona six, has been called Oregon five, got called. We'll get into more of the details of that. 

Andy Biggs is going to join us at the bottom of the hour but Russ walk me through what is your beef about, they had the conference, the conference discussion about who should lead the Republican House which we're going to control maybe by two or three votes or two or three members.  So, what's your beef about Kevin McCarthy just taking it from here? He did win the majority in the House.  He's been fighting, a lot of his picks won over the MAGA picks.  So, what's your what's your beef?

Russ Vought:

My beef is that he has not won. He did not produce a red wave. He has not made a commitment to the American people with an America First agenda.  He continues to fight some of the basic things that we need on a policy level whether that's Big Tech reform or whether that is using the leverage points that we have to go after the Biden regime whether that's oversight, whether that’s using the impeachment tools. So, on and on there's a there's a paradigm problem with Kevin McCarthy.  And I would also look back and say you know he spent millions going after Mary Miller in Illinois who was an incumbent of his own party.  He didn’t have to weigh in on that. 

So, look, regardless of how he has endured that's really the only thing I could say.  Nice guy, I worked with him in the administration.  He's been there a long time, but I've seen him in off in in action behind closed doors.  And I've seen the decisions that he has made and they will not save this country.  And we have a particular moment in time where they handful of Republicans, the Democrats are not a threat, the handful of Republicans can ensure that we have a paradigm shifting Speaker that will allow us to actually have an agenda and move forward and use every opportunity that we have against Biden. 

We can't have a speaker that's afraid of government shutdowns.  We can't have a speaker that's afraid of using the debt limit to fix our fiscal House and get it an order.  We can't have a speaker that's afraid of using the impeachment or to protect the J6 prisoners because somehow, you're worried about the notion of being part as an insurrectionist.  On and on and on he has not shown up and that's why House Freedom Caucus is fighting and I'm thankful that they are doing it and grassroots is behind them.

Steve Bannon:

 I want to make a link, let's take the personalities out. Let's take the Andy Biggs and the Matt Gaetz and the MTG's and the McCarthy’s because personalities, obviously personalities human agency, divine Providence works to individuals from Donald Trump to many others.  I wanted to talk about what the paradigm and the structural issues and I want to connect what is happening for our audience what is happening in Mar-A-Lago today and kind of what Trump stands for as a populist nationalist against the administrative state in the deep state and what you say we have a chance for a paradigm shift up against the cartel on Capitol Hill. 

Walk through the structural issues and why whether it was McCarthy or anybody because he's known as a nice guy right. We call him the pledge chairman here.  It's not about the personality. You have a fundamental structural issue here that has to be resolved and today's launch at Mar-A-Lago is one aspect of that.  What happens on Capitol Hill is another aspect.   

The Democrats that were up against, they are perfectly aligned, they're perfectly aligned from their donors to their consultants, to the politicians, to the recruiting to the NGO's the not for profits, all the way up to the Nancy Pelosi’s.  And one of the reasons they continue to, quite frankly, get more their things through than what we want is because that alignment.  Walk me through the paradigm and how you believe that this issue about the speaker is how you start to lock in that fundamental alignment, sir.

Russ Vought:

Yeah, two main points.  Number one ever, since Donald Trump left office, the establishment has been trying to go back towards the definition of conservatism that they had prior to 2016 and that wasn't America First definition.  They're dying for it. They're just absolutely dying for it and he (Kevin McCarthy) represents that.  He may have been on good terms with President Trump at different times, but he represents that old version of conservatism and not a particularly strident version of it either I might add. 

So, there's that and I think that's an important aspect of it.   Are we actually going to tackle the problems that are facing this country given our countries late hour? Are we going to deal with the drugs in this country? Are we going to deal with China? Are we going to deal with the reality of crime of the borders?  Are we going to do every single thing we can? Are we going to continue to fund Ukraine?  Are we going to beat everywhere in the world.  So that's one part of it.

The second part of it is what has happened over 100 years.  It's not just an administrative state. The administrative state has kind of gone over the borders of the lines of separation within the constitution.  It's both an executive and a congressional merging so that when you talk about the president of the United States, he often does not have the power to grab hold of the administrative state without really breaking some china. 

And you see it in the Congress why is the Congress rank and file so dissatisfied with congressional leadership and committee Baron so satisfied?  They're in power, their rank and file or not.  It's because behind the ..levers of power sits in these seats the votes on the floor. 

Behind all of that is a cartel that is working based on narratives, on paradigms assumptions, viewpoints, the way we've always done it before and unless you actually can see a different way of looking at the world which I think the America First Movement is about and then bust through that cartel and know your leverage points, you're never going to have success. 

You're never going to be able to use the opportunities that the Founders gave us to save the country.  It's all there in the constitution but we have 50 years of not being willing to pick the right policies or pick the right leverage points because our paradigms are wrong.  That's what I mean by it.

Steve Bannon:

When you say the hour is late, we've got and you say the Democrats aren’t going to stand your way or they're weak, I think you said earlier, what do you mean by that? The hours late and but you're not going to get opposition on this from Democrats. You're going to have tonight let's say 220, 222. 

You'll have a handful of seats majority.  This will work us through the hours late and maybe I miss interpreted what you said that the Democrats are not going to be there to stop it what. What do you mean?  What do you mean the hours late? What has to happen and what's going to be the blockage on this?

Russ Vought

Sure, when I talk about the hour late, I'm referring to the country moment, we don't have business as usual time forever.  We have to have game changers.  Now is the time for wartime speakers not cartel speakers.  That's what I mean by that. As it pertains to the Democrats not but being a problem, I'm referring specifically to the argument by my friend and ally normally, Marjorie Taylor Green, that somehow the Democrats are going to conspire with moderate Republicans on the floor. 

That's not possible.  It will not happen. There are fundamental reasons for that.  And so, I'm suggesting that there is the remain vote will be on the floor.  They will oppose the Republican person and that will give House conservatives a leverage point that by that time, they will be able to use. 

But I think the Kevin McCarthy speakership will be on the rocks far in advance of that as soon as today with the House conservatives putting forward their candidacy and making that a holding pattern so that McCarthy knows he doesn't have the votes.

Steve Bannon:

Walk us through how you think this process plays out. There's obviously the leadership vote today. The speakership votes January 3rd just give our audience your best guess of what they should be looking for today to be ahead of the curve.

Russ Vought:

Yeah, I expect today there this is the day that they actually have the vote in the cartel.  This is behind closed doors. This is the Republican Party in these kind of the locker room, making their determination.  There's going to be nomination speeches and I expect you know House Conservative council service to put forward Andy Biggs for that and it will be a case against Kevin McCarthy and why this is something that should warrant a change in direction. A pursuit of how the House should work on behalf of the American people that gave it a majority. 

I think there'll post a big number there in terms of no votes.  That is not just the three of Bob Good, of Matt Gaetz and Chip Roy, I think it will be much larger than that.  We won't know their names potentially unless they tell us, but I think it'll be a big front group that will be surprising to the mainstream media.  And then I think you'll go into tomorrow and the week ahead and you'll get a sense from McCarthy will be trying to figure out and I pull some of those folks away with rule changes. 

And I think we need to talk about rules changes. Rules changes can be good but it's important that we not just get the same rules that we had prior to Nancy Pelosi.  We don't want to have to fight this every single week. 

If we're going to have a game changer parliamentary style partnership where Chip Roy’s in charge of the Rules Committee that's one thing, but just restoring some of the things like the motion to vacate to the rules in my mind is not an appropriate end game. But then McCarthy will figure out OK, can I pull any of them back?

It’s important for the grassroots to support their members throughout this and then when he realizes he doesn't have the votes, he'll make indications and at that time it will free the playing field for other people to step forward and be able to be a unifying candidate. That could be a Jim Jordan that could be a Lee Zeldin, someone that we are currently not thinking about right now.  There are a lot of opportunities along those lines.

Steve Bannon:

So, you think the headline.  Do you think the vote today is going to surprise people by the number of people that don't vote for him for leadership even inside the cartel or the caucus correct the conference.  Is that right, is that what you're telling us?

Russ Vought

Yep.

Steve Bannon:

Real quickly before I let you go, I want to bounce back to Mar-A-Lago but tell me real quickly the orgy is about to start, he orgy of malfeasance, the debt ceiling, this appropriations bill. How important is this to fight this, particularly appropriations and kick it into the next year Russell Vought?

Russ Vought

It's vital I mean we don't have endless limit endless leverage points against the Biden administration. We just don't. We have appropriations and we have oversight and oversight doesn't really work without appropriations and we have debt limit.  And so, both of those leverage points are on the agenda in this last remaining months of this year, and it's important that Republicans preserve those going forward.  I expect them to try to preserve one. 

I don't think that there will be a mass cave on the debt limit, although I think the Democrats will attempt to do it, but that appropriations is very much in danger because you have a lot of retiring senators that want to get their pork projects, that want to put the remaining Dick Shelby Community College on there, throughout Alabama. I mean it's danger, but I think the discussion that we're having on leadership House and Senate and there's a discussion in the Senate as well, will put pressure on Senate appropriators not to be able to cut full year deal.

Steve Bannon:

Real quickly Russ how do people get to your social media particularly to follow you on this and incredible debate.

Russ Vought:

 @Russ Vought on all the channels and America Renewing.com

Steve Bannon:

Russ Vought thank you very much appreciate it.

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